This is well worth a watch. Lucy in this excellent video goes through many of the key theological issues that come up in dialogue with Mormons. Please share this around, also here is the full transcript.
CTR JESUS: A Poem
Call me an investigator
Not a hater
Someone just speaking the truth
So if you’re a Latter Day Saint keeping the faith I’d love to talk to you
I know this conversation might get heated like a fireside
But my purpose ain’t to grill a Stake but to ignite a light
Just like the wristband you’re wearing I agree it’s important we choose the right
In order to get far on the CTR we need to go back to the ABC and ask the basic question of whether you really follow the same Jesus as me?
Because if we don’t see the magnitude of His true worth
Then you’re not really following Jesus at all
The truth might hurt but you need to get a bigger God because yours is too small
See when I dive into scripture and get truly immersed
I find the Jesus who created the entire universe!
You’ll see what I mean when I open up Colossians 1:16
Out of nothing He created all things for Himself
Didn’t need us or anyone’s help
To carve the mountains of Utah or to paint the Northern Lights
To sprinkle the sand of Californian beaches and deserts of Arabian nights
He’s the ultimate Guardian of every galaxy
He’s the Lord of the Rings over the things that exist invisibly
Spinning the hoops of Saturn
Every planet is His cosmic Basketball
One King One God One Mediator to rule them all
Jesus has always been there so don’t get it twisted
He was around before the clock started, before time existed
Yes his timeless hands reached down into the hands of time
Without boasting about his shared equality with the divine
He could scoop up the oceans yet He chose to walk with Peter on the waves
He could have demanded privilege but instead He washed John’s feet like a slave
He could have entered the great city upon a regal steed
But instead He rode in on a donkey humble and meek
He could have showed off His power with violent force but instead He took out His enemies by absorbing death’s cause
Spitting sin out like the poison of a snakebite wound
His foot crushed the serpent’s head that tried to inflict doom
Cheating death’s sting when He walked out that tomb
Many Mormons have told me that Jesus is our brother who wants to adopt us into God’s family
I would agree that He is our brother but only to the extent that He can relate to our humanity
But to say He is on the same level as Lucifer is blasphemy
Jesus has never been Lucifer’s brother like you falsely teach
The prince of darkness has nothing to do with the Prince of Peace.
I know it’s gonna take a lot to believe me
But angels, humans and Jesus are different species
Hebrews chapter 1 demonstrates this distinction
That angels are messengers of fire
But when it comes to Jesus that’s not what the writer is thinking
It’s clear Jesus’ role is much much higher
There’s references here that are taken from Psalms 102 + 45
That shows Jesus commands more than just days and nights
He rules a Kingdom that lasts forever – the Kingdom of Light
If He can eternally reign then that means He was never created in the first place
He’s the the one who carved angel’s wings and breathed life into the human race
He wrote the language of life, drawing U + I into the alphabet
He sees the beginning and end
That’s why I call Him my A-Z
Jesus is the firstborn over all creation
That doesn’t mean there was a start to Him being the Son
It means He’s superior, pre-eminent. He’s number one.
The word prototokos is the original greek
It means Jesus’ role is at the forefront, eternally unique.
He ain’t a little cub tame and born at the beginning of Spring
He roars with authority as he’s at the top of the food chain
Call Him the Lion King!
See we were always meant to live trusting in God alone but then one day we thought we could do a better job and built our own thrones.
We wanted to become gods ourselves and be at the very centre
If life was a map we went on a detour and said no to God’s adventure
The biggest lie the devil whispered is that all we need to do is trust ourselves, we’re better off without Him
Let’s build our own kingdoms and be King of our mountains
For we think we’re gods
Sons of the most high
Yet just like every other ruler
We’re destined to die
The consequences of our selfishness bring death and separation
Until the creator bridged the gap by entering His creation
Contrary to what is taught in the world of LDS
Jesus didn’t enter our world in order to progress
But to redeem humanity from its sinful mess
To bring wholeness and life to a land that only knew death
The atonement is the centre of Jesus’ mission and here’s the true definition:
On the cross it was our sins He bore that’s what we find in 1 Peter 2:24
Jesus didn’t die so we could have an end time resurrection
On the cross He took on our rejection and exchanged it for His perfection
All because of His one sacrifice
You are made holy, blameless in His sight
Hebrews 10:14 says you can stand worthy to have eternal life
Matthew records the temple veil being ripped from top to bottom in chapter 27 verse 51
Which means you can have full access to the Father, Spirit + Son
Your leaders have forgotten that Jesus’ sacrifice is enough
Why in the temple have you put the veil back up?
God’s presence is yours to embrace. Experience unveiling grace.
It’s like He’s gone outside, taken our dirty laundry off the line
And put on our filthy rags
Clothed us in clean robes
So we can stand inside the house spotless before our dad!
It’s like we need to get back to our home country and Jesus has paid the fare
He got arrested at customs so we could have nothing to declare
No baggage to claim because it’s no longer there
you’re on new soil, new land because of the sacrifice of this one man.
You don’t need that flimsy green card ever again
Why? Because Jesus is your temple recommend.
Hebrews 7: Jesus has made the permanent payment as your permanent high priest
You don’t need to pay a tithe in order to eat at the feast!
Nor do you need to argue about who has the priesthood blessing
Because Jesus’ worthiness is the only one you need to rest in!
If I put the Jesus I know next to Brad Wilcox’s idea of grace it doesn’t match
How can grace be grace if the free piano has strings attached?
Where if you don’t play perfectly you don’t appreciate your mum and dad?
Real, Scandalous, Amazing Grace doesn’t record your mistakes but takes delight in the fact you’re playing in the first place
The loving father takes a step further He books you to perform at the Royal Albert Hall Show
And no matter what you play
He hears Jesus hit the grace note!
You have the freedom to pray directly to the Saviour like Stephen did in Acts 7:59
It’s not about being perfect
It’s letting Him say “you’re mine”
Don’t put your trust in feelings because they change like the wind
Ask yourself do you trust an organization or do you trust in Him?
1 John 5:13 is the last thing I’ll write to remind you that you can know for certain that you have eternal life
I pray that after you read this that you would choose to put your ultimate trust in the right Jesus.